How to fight Brexit - Best for Britain event in Vauxhall Thursday 14th December.

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How to fight Brexit - Best for Britain event in Vauxhall Thursday 14th December.

Postby GuyD73 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:11 am

I am not the only person who, in the light of the Electoral Commission's investigation into potential election fraud by the Leave campaign, revelations about Russian influence through social media and finance and the source of the dark DUP money, is seriously questioning the legitimacy of the EU ref vote.

Brexit is far from a done deal and we are starting to see politicians of various hues now leaning towards a final say on the deal. There are lots of ways to campaign - use the #FBPE and #stopbrexit hashtags on Twitter and please write to your MP about the amendments to the Repeal bill currently going through Parliament. Worth following Jolyon Maughan, a barrister bringing a judicial review about the revocability of article 50.

The very idea that MPs could only have a choice between a bad deal and no deal is disgraceful and I feel sure Parliament will throw it out, but we need to keep pressure on all the same. I'm looking forward to finding out what else we can do to stop this calamitous self-harm that's Brexit at this event, so I hope to see some of you there. If you believe this is a disastrous direction for our country and Brexit will severely diminish our children's prospects, keep fighting
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Postby rooting4tooting » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:26 am

the idea of democracy is that you can vote them out.. you can't vote out the EU leaders..
given that Teresa May couldn't negotiate herself out of a paper bag, the sooner we leave this corrupt cash sucking power hungry dictatorship the better..

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Postby Chimera » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:54 am

Sorry can't do - Xmas lunch takes precedence

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Postby juliantenniscoach » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:36 pm

It seems that Brexit is having the outcome that the Leave lobby promised:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42178038 To be clear I'm not saying this is a positive but undoubtedly the huge wave of immigration which successive governments failed to plan for was probably the no. 1 issue for Leave voters.

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Postby GuyD73 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:49 pm

I'd agree Julian, but one of the situations that contributes to is the 96% fall in nursing registrations since the vote, which is pretty scary. I wonder how many people factored in consequences like that to their voting decision?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... exit-vote/
Agree too that and 'sovereignty' were the top reasons but I'm not sure how many leave voters understood that we always had powers under freedom of movement to repatriate anyone who didn't have the means to support themselves or have a job within three months, as used by a number of EU members states. And that it's the fault of successive governments in not using those powers that led to the incredibly divisive benefits tourism rhetoric, particularly on the far right.

Interesting to hear some UKIP bod already moaning that it's not enough and that they won't be happy until the tory manifesto promise of tens of thousands is achieved. I despair sometimes

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Re: How to fight Brexit - Best for Britain event in Vauxhall Thursday 14th December.

Postby juliantenniscoach » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:45 pm

Well I do think immigration was a massive issue. But not here in Nappyvalley where the impression of immigration is well educated, well skilled people providing skill sets that are required. However this wasn't/isn't the impression in many parts of the country that contributed to the result, way more than any Russian blogger.

I totally agree that first Labour then the following governments totally ignored the plight of those who couldn't get council/affordable housing, found themselves undercut in low skilled manual labour etc. The irony was that in theory, those Governments could have controlled non-EU immigration but failed to do so. I haven't read or heard any reason as to why that was? For the Leave campaign this was electoral gold which they exploited to the full.

Now we have a weak Government giving in to virtually every condition except N.I. because it would fall. The EU has even given notice to expel us from Europol which only puts all EU and UK citizens at greater risk. As the Government don't want to be part of either the Customs Union or the Single Market I honestly believe a 'Hard Brexit' would be the lesser of two evils. As it stands we'll be paying out a fortune for nothing in particular. I was all for paying for what we had already agreed to but contributing to the pension funds for people who will be acting against our national interest is ludricrous.

As for the BBC article it might actually spur the introduction of first generation robotics and other such technology. I don't think we're returning to the days of fruit picking by students and local casual labour!

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Postby petal » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:11 pm

What I would like to ask people who still think Brexit is a good idea is ;
-Before Cameron called the referendum, did you really feel that your daily life was burdened by the lack of sovereignty?
-Did you curse the EU standards that allow you to purchase any goods from any EU company without having to worry about the safety? Food/toys/electrics/cosmetics/medicines etc
- Did you suffer under the improved working conditions and the maternity laws?
- did you really hate travelling to Europe with extreme ease?
- did you not enjoy the fact that you/your children could travel, live and study anywhere is Europe?
- was is a problem to know that you could basically feel at home when anywhere in the EU knowing that you could get the medical treatment like any other citizen??
I could go ON!!

What people didn't understand and STILL don't is that a vote leave was never in any way a stop to immigration,It's merely potentiall a swap of the kind of immigration .
For example more Chinese and other non EU counties can compete for entry under a proposed points system for all.
The idea that somehow brexit would be a drawbridge is insane . Personally I relate more to Europeans than non-Europeans our values are similar.
Also the economy needs the migrant forces.
Google what happening In the hotel insdustry already ! They can't find staff. And before anyone thinks " give jobs to British" ( by the way the voice in my head if one of some kind of ogre) you have no idea how hard it is for hotels to employ willing British candidates.
It's not a coincidence that a very high % of staff in top U.K. Hotels are EU migrants .
Let's not even mention builders!
NHS staff !
And the leisure industry, who will serve coffees ??
Italian chains can't get enough Italians already.
Employ EU cleaners or nannies anyone?? Errrr thought so!

How about medical research ?? Nuclear ?? Have you got any idea what it means to lose the back of research data that can be used in studies as based on standard method.

What should ideally have happened is that Cameron got more out of the deal from the EU when he tried to negotiate with them prior to the vote.
This is a pure economic disaster.
The EU needs reform, but this Brexit mess it not in any way better.
And leaving the EU, we are supposedly supposed to be relying on tweeting ignoramous Trump...
What an utter disaster!

Oh and before anyone still thinks that the freedom
Of movement means people just come here to use our country.
Have you heard of Health tourism? For example African women flying late to the UK and lying about pregnancy weeks to give birth on the NHS. ( Lagos express like st thomas' call it )

My point is, migration is not an EU issue alone. Leaving the EU doesn't mean the government would suddenly become on the ball.
They removed exit checks willingly thus have no clue! How many people were actually leaving the country. They save money and don't have the man power to actually police the border.
Other EU counties do have rules that are stricter, the U.K. Just never bothered implementing them.

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Postby juliantenniscoach » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:39 pm

petal wrote:What should ideally have happened is that Cameron got more out of the deal from the EU when he tried to negotiate with them prior to the vote.


I actually think that was a disaster of an idea. He should have gone on the charm offensive (which he was good at) and upsold all the many merits of being an active, contributing member of the EU. The other member states were never going to give us more benefits when we probably had the best deal of all. Especially when immigration could and should have been controlled from outside the EU.

Still, I do think it's crying over split milk now. No party is going to back reversing Article 50 because the country as a whole don't support it. The last opinion polls showed the split almost exactly the same as the referendum results.

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Postby petal » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:36 pm

He didn't really have any choice at that point.
UKIP were already breathing down his neck and Tories changing sides.
This appeared to be a way to appease the leavers and keep us in.

Now we are really going over spilt milk, but he should have never delivered on the bloody referendum promise ;)

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Postby rooting4tooting » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:43 pm

The referendum decision should have been set at a quorum. two thirds of two thirds.. not just 50.1%
The requirement deserved to have been thought through. ( I am a leaver but I'm not stupid)

although old news.. now ancient news. Cameron went to get something, came back with nothing and still thought it was better to stay in. He should have resigned there and then.
Having heard on the news yesterday, the moans of some European migrants, I would say, they came for the money and now they're going. It shows them for what they are... economic migrants.. They weren't here because they love Britain, they were here for what they could get and now they are going.
What we're looking for is someone who can contribute, to what England has to offer, culture, sophistication, genius.. A little bit more than a bratwurst, you know what I mean?
A note to Mrs May, the idea of negotiation is to be the last one to blink... You haven't stopped blinking since the general election.

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Postby windmill26 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:36 pm

"Having heard on the news yesterday, the moans of some European migrants, I would say, they came for the money and now they're going. It shows them for what they are... economic migrants.. They weren't here because they love Britain, they were here for what they could get and now they are going.
What we're looking for is someone who can contribute, to what England has to offer, culture, sophistication, genius.. A little bit more than a bratwurst, you know what I mean? "
Economic migration is now the norm as people move around for economic gains way more than before.Not every migrant that come to the UK has to love it and the same goes for other countries and cities were economic migration is common (Hong Kong,Dubai,Singapore etc.).Migration,economic or not ,contributes to the host country in different ways not just Taxes and it has already contributed to this country in many ways (food,culture,sophistication come to mind!).From a migrant point of view I can tell you that often I feel tolerated more than welcome from the natives.The result of the referendum was not a surprise to me.

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Postby petal » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:41 pm

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/375/cpspr ... _v5-nc.png

This is for rooting4tootimg
See the pic that shows reason for coming.
I prefer the EU stats to the other.
Or do you prefer a migrant who comes just cause they have family or an actual job ??
Nothing with bratwurst!!
Not any other European sausage if you ask me !
Bring it on!
I think the Polish workforce has been amazing for London for example

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Postby rooting4tooting » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:10 am

For Petal,
you and I are here for life, but we need to understand those who are leaving for greener shores are parasites.

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Postby petal » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:42 pm

How can you refer to any human as a parasite?

No one chooses where they are born.
There is nothing wrong with trying to make a better a better life for yourself!
I can't really blame anyone for this ever!
Are the Irish parasites then too ?(
When they escaped famine and took a chance by jumping on the boats for the states??
Count yourself lucky to have the luxury to have been born in the right place at the right time

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Postby windmill26 » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:05 pm

rooting4tooting wrote:For Petal,
you and I are here for life, but we need to understand those who are leaving for greener shores are parasites.

Parasites how?
We come here for whatever reason,we work our way up,we pay taxes and when we are ready we move on .We don't stay here when old to occupy hospital beds and be a burden to the NHS .So in reality you should be grateful that we move on as we are not getting advantage of what we have contributed during our stay in your country!I have the choice to grow old somewhere else and I am going to take it!


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