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Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by csectionmum » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:13 pm

There are a lot of really helpful responses on this post.

My understanding is that you cannot be denied an elective c-section by the NHS as looked into this when I had my first child. Was absolutely terrified of delivering vaginally and the hospital refused so contacted a birth rights charity that advised that it is possible but you may be required to go for counselling etc in advance.

At around 7 mths pregnant, I changed my mind and thought I’d go for a vaginal delivery. My child ended up being so big he was taken out early to avoid delivery risks to us both (10lbs13oz at 39 weeks to the day!).

My physical recovery was much much slower than the other 7 women who had vaginal deliveries in the NCT group I was in. C-section is major abdominal surgery leaving you with 6 layers of stitches to recover from. Would definitely not recommend it unless you have family nearby or can afford help.

We had our kids quite close together and can also say that given the state of my abdominal tissue a friend who was working in obs said that as I hadn’t laboured opting for a vaginal delivery for the second child would likely result in an emergency section. I discussed this with my consultant and they agreed. The second delivery took nearly an hour of surgery as they could not get the stitches to take. It was not a great experience. The healing was slow and difficult, I couldn’t lift or play with my toddler and I ended up in physio 6 months post delivery as had continued pain in my abdomen and legs.

Really not trying to terrify you with a negative story but just want to illustrate that c-section is a major surgery. People’s responses when you tell them tend to be ‘lucky you’ as there is a serious misconception about the seriousness of it. Having c-sections can limit the amount of children you can safely have too, so if you are considering a larger family it may not be the best option for you.

My advice would be to try and keep an open mind, go for what you feel would be best for you but try and not be too wedded to a particular birth plan. Ask people for positive birth stories, there are many and come from all types of delivery but people often don’t want to tell them for fear of being insensitive.

Wishing you a peaceful pregnancy, calm delivery and healthy baby xxx

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by PreggoPropaganda » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:02 pm

There’s so much propaganda about c-sections it’s hard to find objective and balanced arguments online. Even RCOG’s (Royal College of Obs and Gynae) pamphlet on elective sections lists only the pros of vaginal and cons of sections.
The reality is all birth options are difficult. Childbirth has been one of the biggest natural killers of women throughout all of history and is only safer now in the west because of medical intervention.
Sections are serious operations, but 1 in 6 women have an emergency section anyway, after a failed (and normally physically and emotionally tiring labour) so not choosing a section doesn’t mean you won’t get one anyway.
When I had my elective section in 2017 I did a tonne of research. I posted it here: https://influenceofbooks.blogspot(dot)com/2016/12/push-back-by-amy-tuteur-and-me.html?m=1 and here: https://ontothemothership.wordpress(dot)com/2017/03/28/what-is-natural-anyway-c-sections-vs-vaginal-labour/. My midwife was happy I knew the risks of sections (along with the risks of vaginal) and didn’t argue with my choice. Though I did get treated like the anti-Christ by most of the other midwives, so prepare for the cold shoulder!
My recovery hurt a lot (I learned the hard way that strong abs are the enemy of sections) but three years on I’m so grateful for the calm and controlled birth experience I enjoyed. I’m having my second elective section later this year.
Good luck with your choice and stay strong. Nothing evokes the strong responses from everyone (parent or not) as much as birth and parenting.

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by Nadia11 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:23 am

I want to have elective c section without any medical reason pls help me I am 35 week pregnant and i am with whips cross hospital .

by Genie » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:26 pm

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Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by sld » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:08 pm

I've had 2 C-secs: 1 EMCS and 1 ELCS, both at C&W. Second time around, I had two chats with the VBAC midwife before deciding to go with ELCS. She wasn't pushy at all, in fact was gently supportive in helping me explore why I wanted to go one way or the other (I was caught up between wanting a "normal" birth second time around, and the fear of not being in control with the onset of labour; above all I wanted to avoid another EMCS).

WRT recovery, I was one of the "lucky" ones. Was walking (slowly and with help) within 24 hours first time around and within 6 hours second time. No issues with the wound, no complications.

Everyone who dealt with me both times at C&W were fantastic. I certainly didn't feel pressured to go down the VBAC route or to have to "stand my ground" in any way.

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by BG5000 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:40 pm

C&W do allow elective c-sections - I am just going through the process for my second child at that hospital now. Every hospital does - they can just make it very difficult for you.

The NICE guidelines state that a woman should be given an elective C-section if she wants one and that a woman should be treated respectfully as regards her choices. A hospital can 'offer' counselling sessions etc if they think for example you want one out of a misguided fear of giving birth (the wording of the NICE guidelines leads me to believe you could refuse to go though). If a specific consultant won't give you a c-section, they have a duty to refer you to a consultant that will.

If you are asking for a C-section, doctors will take you more seriously if you are informed and have done your research. Read the NICE quidelines on C-sections. Read about the process doctors are to follow (a midwife cannot sign you off for a C-section so book an appointment with a consultant). Read about the different risk profiles of vaginal birth vs C-section that are in the appendices to the relevant NICE guidelines (and tell them that you have done so). The two procedures have different risk profiles but many doctors will tell you that given medical advances with surgery they carry about the same level of risk.

NICE guidelines: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg132/ ... troduction

This is a great article (if a bit old) about C-sections vs natural birth: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/re ... /23/health

If you have a reason why you want an elective C-section, prepare yourself to explain it well. I switched to an elective c-scetion at about 32 weeks with my first pregnancy, because my mum suffered terribly with vaginal prolapse. As did my dad's sisters. There is a hereditary element to this - so if your mum or blood other relatives have suffered from this - you are more likely to. Queen Charlottes hospital doesn't think that this is a valid reason for having a C-section - but this doesn't matter. There is a case - Montgomery v Lanarkshire County Counsel that says it is the patients evaluation of the risk - not the doctors that is relevant. So given that a vaginal birth does increase your risk of vaginal prolapse later in life as against a c-section - it doesn't matter if the doctors think this isn't a good reason - it is the patients evaluation of the risk that matters at law.

There are also a number of studies that link a woman's feeling of control over the birth process to her likelihood of suffering from PND. This is important - and a valid argument that you need to feel that your choices are respected.


Montgomery v Lanarkshire County Counsel commentary:
http://www.39essex.com/cop_cases/montgo ... lth-board/ (read what Lady Hale says)

http://www.farrarsbuilding.co.uk/montgo ... 5-uksc-11/ (this case is about informed consent but important point is that patient's can determine the risks that they are prepared to take and doctors value judgements about C-sections shouldn't interfere).

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by LP73 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:26 am

All hospitals must allow a choice. Whilst C&W discourage they cannot stop you requesting and having one.
They do have a private wing which will take priority as to where their top guys and girls are but there should be further options to allow your wish to go forward.
Rather than argue the case with them perhaps it's best to go to another hospital where they will be more accommodating.
If it's any consolation the tops guys at C&W do many c sections and actually don't think that ladies should be pushed towards a vb if it's something they don't want.
In South America 95% of births are now c sections ..... food for thought :-)

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by Mumbly » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:56 am

AbbevilleMummy wrote:Everyone is entitled to an elective c section on the nhs.....

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/caesarean- ... ction.aspx
Yes this is true but NICE guidelines are just that - guidelines. Hospitals are able to opt out if they choose. The main reason c and w is saying no to cs for women without medical reason or extreme fear is because they have one of the highest rates in the country. They need to try and bring them down and this is one way to do it.
But of course you can go to another NHS hospital.

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by mn3ab » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:18 pm

I am 35 weeks and have just been diagnosed with Obstetrics Cholestatis (OC) which means I need to deliver the baby at 37 weeks to avoid risks of still birth or the baby becoming distressed.

I am having the baby at C&W and they have said I will need to be induced but the baby will need to be fully monitored throughout. I am a bit worried about being induced especially as the baby won't want to come out so early so it is likely to be long and painful and may require forceps. Therefore, I am considering an elective c-section so the baby is out quicker and there are less chances of her becoming distressed.

Has anyone had to choose between an induction or c-section at 37 weeks, in particular at C&W and with OC? I am due to speak to a consultant about my options in a couple of days but thought I'd check if you had any experience before my meeting.

Thanks

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by Tjp1977 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:16 pm

I'm having an elective c-section at C&W tomorrow for no medical reason but I was very nervous about giving birth naturally. The hospital have been amazing and haven't stood in my way at all. I have had to have some extra appointments with senior midwifes etc but everyone has been supportive and I haven't had to listen to negative people try and discourage me. I was also told that no hospital can not allow you a c-section - you should be allowed whatever birth you like and the hospital have to be supportive. But I was also told to be persistent and not give up. I didn't actually need to be - but maybe try again..... good luck. I think everyone should be allowed to birth they want without judgement

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by AbbevilleMummy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:47 am

Everyone is entitled to an elective c section on the nhs.....

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/caesarean- ... ction.aspx

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by DietCokefan » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:34 am

I very much agree with posters who have stated it's about safety as well as cost. It is major surgery. My first child was an emergency caesarean, my second a gas and air vaginal delivery. After the fact I can tell you they were completely different, but both had their challenges. I didn't have any problems with the c-section but recovery was definitely slower. I'm assuming this is your first - if not, c-section will limit your ability to lift/carry toddlers, this was why I was keen to try to have a vaginal birth the second time.
I don't think anyone is entitled to an elective c-section. Patients are entitled to safe care. For most people the safest option will not be a c-section.

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by AbbevilleMummy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:31 am

5 years ago I had an elective at St Thomas'. I was lucky and had a consultant who saw no issue with it what so ever.

No regrets at all. All very controlled; a lovely experience. Recovered significantly quicker than with my first, natural delivery. I was up and about the next day almost like I hadn't had a baby the day before!

I honestly think that if men were the ones to have babies, all deliveries would be elective c-sections and natural births would be considered barbaric! ;)

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by Bunnypigeon1 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:40 am

C&W hospital will not carry out electicd c sections, they are very clear about it and even give every woman a letter at the start of their prenatal care explaining this. We wanted a c section with our third after two very difficult births and faced a lot of reseistance. In the end we did it privately, but C&W did offer to refer us to other hospitals where an elective might be allowed.

Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

by Scottov » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:11 am

it is a sensitive subject, and as such a certain delicacy is needed in addressing it.

the issue is that a CS is major surgery, not minor, MAJOR. it is a serious business, and is not something to be taken lightly. I say this not in terms of choice, freedom etc. just that there are very real safety issues from what is often seen to be (wrongly) a minor procedure.

it is not an easy option and any perception that it is being taken by the too posh to push brigade is going to be met with resistance.

the way forward if there are genuine reasons is to explain that you understand the full implications and reasoning of what you are asking for.

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